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I am struggling with care issues regarding my mother. My mom has always had a very abrasive personality. She had a rough childhood, was in an abusive relationship with my father, and raised me a single parent.
Over the years she and I have had our differences. We do not have a lot in common, and quite honestly being around her for any length of time is exhausting for me. My perception is that my mom has always craved attention, so she courts drama. If the drama does not exist she creates the drama.
In 2013 she was in a car accident. She lives in another state, so I was called at work shortly after the highway patrol found her. Doctors diagnosed her as having a mini stroke. She was also diagnosed by a psychiatrist as having bipolar disorder. I spent two weeks with her after she had the mini stroke and I was subjected to some of the most abusive, bullying behavior I have ever encountered. It was as if I was a 10 year old kid all over again. We had several arguments and I found myself feeling trapped and wanting to get away from her as quickly as I could.
Since that time, I have received calls from her neighbors that she is not doing well. She is forgetful, combative, and insists to everyone that she is fine. I have written her doctor several times, I have also filed cases with APS three times. APS has informed me after each visit that she appears fine. She is clean, can answer questions, and appears to be well. I even called an attorney to find out what else I could be or should be doing. The attorney told me that I cannot really do anything unless she is committed to a nursing home or other care facility as a result of doctor's orders or APS recommendation.
I am ashamed to say this, but I do not like my mom, but I feel obligated to try and help her. It is a lifetime of dealing with her that has left me not wanting to help. I do not want to be sucked into the drama and the verbal abuse. I also feel like her neighbors expect me to do something, but based on the law, I cannot do anything. I have no desire to see her and when I do have to speak with her I feel like I am getting ready to jump of a cliff.
The shame I have for how I feel toward my mom is palpable. I have been seeing a therapist and I am now taking medication to try and control anxiety and panic attacks that I have suffered from since returning from my visit.
My mom raised me as a single parent, she took care of me. I do believe her treatment of me when I was a child was psychically and emotionally abusive. However, she is still my mother. How can I turn my back on her. What is wrong with me that I do not want to help another person in need, especially my own mother.

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There are many people on this site who are in the same situation you are. They feel obligated to help a parent who was abusive to them in the past. Try a search of the site. In the upper right hand corner is a search box. Search "abusive parent".

While I'm not in the same situation I can understand why this would be confusing for you but really, it's understandable. Your mom was abusive to you in the past but she's still your mom. I understand why you would feel obligated to her. This doesn't make you a bad person, not in the slightest. You've been hurt by your mom in the past, maybe many times, and this could cause you to think twice before jumping into your mom's life again. You're not a bad person at all. But when we have a wound we think twice before tearing off that scab and exposing the wound again because we know that it hurts. There's no shame in considering that before getting involved again with the person who hurt us.
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welcome rkello - I have an abusive/mentally ill mother too and I am a distant caregiver for her. I don't like my mother a whole lot either, and really dislike many of her behaviours, but also love her, in the sense that I want good things for her, and feel the need to help her. There are a number of us on this site. There is nothing wrong with you that you do not want to step into a situation where you will be abused again. The alternative is not necessarily to turn your back on her, though it may be. I have considered it. We each have to find our way through the maze of past hurts, present hurts, our needs, their needs and so on.

It sounds to me that you are doing what you can. You have contacted APS, you are in communication with her neighbours, you have written her doctor, were involved when she had the accident... I don't know if there is much more you can do. Many here, regardless of past treatment, have parents who are unwilling to be helped. In those cases it is a waiting game until something happens e.g. a fall causing injury, to force the issue so that the professionals evaluate and determine that this individual cannot live alone any more and requires placement into a facility. A psychologist, Pauline Boss, recommends that anyone who has been abused by a parent should not do hands-on care giving, but rather from a distance, through others who work directly with the parent. Other writers talk about low contact or no contact with an abusive parent, and if contact is maintained that it is necessary to set firm boundaries for your own protection. Support is also very important and also knowledge about the illness so that you can detach emotionally.

Please let go of the shame you feel and also any guilt. She is very fortunate that you are still willing to help. You have nothing to feel ashamed of.

I gather no one has POA or healthy care proxy for you mum. Likely, at some point, someone will need to make decisions for her. It may have to be the state. Another alternative is that you obtain guardianship when she becomes incompetent. You may or may not want to do this. I am just bringing these up for you to consider. I gather you are an only child. If, when I agreed to take on POA etc., I knew what I would have gone through last year or so, I might well not have taken it on.

It seems an immediate concern is the neighbours who call you and feel you should be doing more for your mum as she is not doing well. You have acted very responsibly, in my view, even to contacting an attorney, who told you the facts of what you can and cannot do. They are trying to be helpful, no doubt. Perhaps they can call APS with their particular concerns. Their involvement is a mixed blessing, but may be helpful in monitoring your mum's decline.

Does her doctor have any suggestions? I found things had to get worse before they got better, Mother was in an ALF and became more and more paranoid, accusing the staff etc., and then finally expressed suicidal thoughts, but refused to take meds. This is what got the professionals moving, and she is now in a geriatric psychiatric hospital, on antipsychotic meds and better than she has been in a long while. She will be discharged to a mental health facility. Last year was "annus horribilis" for me - worse than usual and I suffered PTSD from past abuse. I have the same reactions as you to spending time with her and set the boundary that I would have no contact with her unless she was taking the meds she needs. Even then, I have told the staff that my contact with her will be minimal. I live 5hrs drive away anyway. I look after her finances (she sent her stuff to me), do some shopping for her, and so on, but I don't do outings with her. They require a wheelchair and at my age -77 - I don't want to take that on. She has enough money to hire someone to go with her. I help to arrange that and whatever else is needed. It is not a perfect solution, but workable so far. I reserve the right to drop out if I need tp for my health, as it has been affected by all the stress.

In short, I understand, and I support you to look after yourself first. Pauline Boss says it well - be humane to your parent, but do yourself no further harm.

Do comeback and share more - let us know how this plays out. (((((((hugs))))))) and blessings.
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It is true... you are not alone. I could have (and have!) written almost the same as you in this forum. One of the toughest things to deal with is how to separate a person's unpleasant personality from the changes that occur in aging with dementia and Alzheimer's (like the bullying). I have determined to try and make sure my Mom is safe and taken care of, but to otherwise keep my distance. As I live out of state as well, I try to support my brother who lives in her town to the utmost.
So I don't have any advice, really, but try not to let her drag you down.

Bood
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Things can change fast. My story is similar minus the real abuse. My mother just wasn't very nice, it was all about her, etc. She was in the beginning stages of Alzheimer's when she had a massive stroke. She survived but remained paralyzed and wheelchair bound. The fascinating part was that she had a huge personality change. She was the kinder, gentler Mom. She started telling me how pretty I was, look great the way I am, etc. Wow, never heard those things from her before. She was always critical of everything I said or did. I am sorry for the path you are on, it may take some twists and turns that you could never have anticipated. I agree with the advice to stay away, you absolutely must save your own sanity. If you don't take are of yourself, no one will. I take care of my father now and I take regular "sanity breaks."
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There is nothing wrong with you. You reap what you sow & she did NOT sow well. I am not in the same situation but my best friend is but thankfully she has a sister who the mother treated like she was the Madonna so the sister is the caretaker.

May I suggest, if your Mom is not willing to take her meds that you take a Valium (or whatever) before you go see her. I get along with my Mom, but sometimes...you know & even I will take a Valium before going to see her. Your health is very important. Don't lose yourself in her craziness. I don't know what you can do for her but others have great advice. I am just here to tell you to take care of YOU & YOU are not crazy for the way you are feeling.

HUGS HUGS HUGS and positive thoughts going out to you.
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Guilt........what an emotion........I find it helpful to take a step back and look at things..........your mom raised you as a single parent she was there for you and so on this does not in and of itself place responsibility on you to care for her. You did not ask to be born this was her choosing and her responsibility to care for and raise her child end of story. Live your life as it is yours to live as hers was hers to live. There is no repayment owed by you. People with mental disorders can be draining if you let them. Things will work out, if neighbors keep calling give them the number of Division of Children and Family Services in their area and instruct them to place a call as you have no power to help at this point.
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Rkello...hugs to you.
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I have had the same problem my hold life. My mother has always treated me like the red headed step child, but I am her child. I wish I had an answer for you but I am in the same situation . I put her in a home and she made me fill so guilt that I brought her home which now I know was a mistake. I have no help and she can not get Medicaid. So I am stuck . I am trying to do the best I can. I will be praying for you.
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Great replies here. Rkello, you've reached me by posting this... I have the same shame, etc., my emotions are rather dead right now. How can I be so unfeeling? Only daughter raised by a single mother who came out of the type of circumstances you name. I just wanted you to know there's another numbed person like you out here! :) Mom's 82 and I haven't talked to her in a few months... she has no other relatives or friends, doesn't even have a doctor really. - but this has happened several times before, I've learned to live with myself. I do think of it at bedtime and upon waking, but without anxiety. It used to torture the daylights out of me. Acceptance takes time, and we sure can be awful to ourselves. I try to be better with her, and then something happens and I lose my ability to cope. Be kind to you, and learn to accept that you are human and this is how you feel. You'd accept a friend who felt this way. Try and look at yourself the same.
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Is there one neighbor that your mom is close to? Can you take that person into your confidence and explain to her the steps you've taken to try to get your mom care, but that your hands are tied? You can ENCOURAGE her to call APS when things spiral out of control and maybe there will be less fingerpointing (at you) and more community support for your mom. Amazingly, some parents will accept the help of outsiders before they will listen to any such "nonsense" from their kin. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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I am not in your situation but I feel compelled to give you a big virtual hug. Despite your childhood, you are obviously a wonderfully caring woman. You should feel no shame or guilt for your feelings about your mom. They're just feelings - we don't control them.

Emjo has wonderful advice - she's lived your life and has come to a good place with managing her own health and well-being, while still helping her mom from a distance. She's a good person to follow on here. Good luck and HUGS to you!!
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. Help her from a far. She will be ok. Take care of your self been through the same thing.
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As I've said before, being a caregiver for someone you love is difficult enough. Being a caregiver -- even long distance -- for someone you don't love and don't even wish to be around and who causes anxiety and health issues doesn't make sense. It sounds as if you've done everything you could. Don't feel guilt -- and don't ever take her into your home. If your mother gets worse there are steps you and APS can take, but for now relax. Good luck.
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I understand, completely. I am guilt ridden, too, from the treatment I've gotten from my mother all my life. She came to live with me in 2008. All the old guilt, manipulation and control descended upon me like a dark cloud. I had somewhat gotten away from it for several years and had made giant strides, but her moving back with me put me in a tailspin downward into a pit of sickening guilt, loathing and oppression. Mom is a narcissist and probably has an undiagnosed mental illness. You can't be nice enough, do enough, care enough for a person like her. I recently had her admitted into geriatric psych where they got her meds straightened out so that that she wasn't falling, completely out of it, etc. Then I got her into a rehab with the intentions of getting her into AL or memory care. At the end of rehab when the AL nurse was supposed to come and evaluate her, my sister decided she wanted her to "get to come home for a while". I told her I was done taking care of her in my home. My sister has had her for several months, now, and I've made it clear that I will not take her into my home. She is safe at my sister's, unhappy as she always is, and I've moved 1000 miles away to be close to MY kids. I have a tinge of guilt still, but it's getting a little less. We drove 1000 miles to see her last week, and she tried to manipulate the situation by pretending to be sick. We weren't paying enough attention to her, so she staged a "poor me" pity party and went to bed. This was when the real lessening of guilt started. After driving a 1000 miles, she goes to bed after begging to see me every time I talked to her over the last two months since I've seen her last. We were with her for 6 hours and though asking her to stay up because we were going back home, she pitifully shuffled off to bed and when I asked her where she was going she says, "I don't know" with snotty attitude. I refused to follow her like I used to. That was our goodbye. Very sad, but liberating. I feel sorry for my sister, though. I'm 65 and I need a life. My sister chose to take her home with her and she is going to have to figure out what to do. I had a plan. It was undone.
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Rkello I know exactly how you feel except my mom lives with me and her behavior at time is surprising the things she says to me. She was also a single parent raising me. She had been in an abusive marriage and her childhood was also abusive. She does not like to be hugged or kissed so I have given up. We are not bad daughters. Instead of arguing with her like I used to I just dont say anything, believe me it is hard but she lives with me and my family so I have no choice but to accept her as she is. Sometimes I get depressed because I agreed with my husband to have her live with us and I regret that decision but there is nothing I can do now. Try and stay strong because it can drain you. Good luck!
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I am coming out of the tunnel of a situation just like this, and I offer my two cents to you. The issue here isn't what kind of person your mother was/is -- it's the kind of person you are. I don't want to alienate the world by quoting scripture, but the idea is to do unto others AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM do unto you -- not as they have done unto you. The way your mother acts shouldn't have any bearing on what you do in any context, or preclude you doing the right thing for her. This is a growth opportunity for you, you can work through this before she dies by accepting responsibility here and not shying away from contact. You are still responding to her as the bruised child -- are you still that person? There's one challenge for you. I don't want you helping her because you feel guilty or you are forcing yourself...you need to come around, to grow to a level of maturity where you can handle her and your reactions to what she does. You don't have to give her Mother's Day cards with bunnies on them, but you do need to work toward forgiving her, which doesn't mean letting her off the hook, if you will, but that you have achieved closure and you are letting her go (leaving her to God...) But when she's dead, who do you want to see looking back at you in the mirror, the mature, intelligent, decent woman who did the right thing for someone who never did the right thing for her, or a cowering child who just dissolved in a puddle of anger, spite , whining and Ativan? Don't try for her approval anymore, that's ridiculous, you're not going to get it, but do tell her when you reach the point where you mean it, that you have forgiven her -- quietly, gently and only once, even if she comes back at you with fire. Have the police commit her to an adult behavior modification program, while you get yourself an elder care lawyer and get working on POAs and guardianship. She can't manage this at arms'-length; get in there as an adult, get your hands dirty, and do for her what she never did for you.
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I just joined this group because I had read your question to the group, and feel so much like you do. I feel for you. It is mentally draining to deal with a mom like that. I don't like taking meds, but I have found that taking a 1/2 of a Xanex before visiting my mom, can help a bit. Also doing something physical outside after visiting her can help, like taking a walk. I find that the fresh air and sun can ease the tension a bit after talking to her or visiting her. I can guiltily say that I do not like my mom either. But as someone else had said, we did not ask to be born, that was our moms choice. Just do the best you can do and if you can find someone to step in to help her, so you do not have to, that might be the best choice. Good luck !
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As an adult, you have a responsibility to make decisions that will positively impact your life. Your mother is and has always been toxic to you. The biology of her being your mother is just that. Since APS has seen her, given her their blessings, ask the neighbors to call 911 when or if she needs help. You live in a different state and cannot help anymore. Distance yourself dear one or you will be the one who needs more help than her. Don't let anyone cause you this much pain. Your health is my primary concern. She can fend for herself. If that sounds cruel, I am hearing you say she was abusive most of your life. Don't you deserve a life free of abuse? Stop the guilty thoughts, and you will free your mind of any emotional illness. Get yourself healthy, let her live her life without you. Best wishes.
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I am in a similar situation with my Mom. I made the decision years ago that I would never be able to bring her into my home to care for her. I live 5 hours away, have POA, trustee for parents trust, and manage health care and financial stuff. Dad has been placed in Memory Care for almost two years, with mom home alone and in early Alzheimer's diagnosed. She is a pistol, who refuses meds, is in denial about her condition, refuses help in the home and thinks the answer to everything is that 'family' should help her....only 'family'! Well I am the only child left. We have two daughters...one lives in WA state....3 days away, homeschools 6 kids and has turned off her Nana by being too honest about Nana's manipulations. This daughter is a retired RN like myself. Our other daughter, since Aug, lives in Phoenix....only 2 hours away and is now trying to help me cope with all this. Kinder and gentler she is, with an Master's in Counseling....but gets equally over whelmed being with her 'Nana'. It is now to the point where I or Phx daughter must travel down to Tucson about every two weeks for 4-5 days to keep up with everything and we are running out of steam. I've put in an alarm system with cameras and panic necklace etc. Keys locked in key keeper on her door and contacted 3 neighbors who know her well, and told them the situation; given them my contact info and the code to get into the key lock box so they could get into her house. What I suggest is you do something similar and get the neighbors involved in watching out for her. You may have to TELL them, that they have permission to call the police for a welfare check or to call APS when they think she is not OK. Many are fearful of getting involved if there is known family....fearing family may sue them or such. So you need to let neighbors know you NEED their help on this. Also, it helps if you get the POA and Health Care proxy so you can decide how to spend her money and can communicate with her doctors and others to get her the help she needs. You have no way to 'make things happen' without that. If she won't give you this authority, then you may need to tell her you ' cannot help her' without that done because, really, from a legal perspective, your hands are tied from helping her. I had to tell my Dad he needed help in the home and he did not want it. Mom was unable to care for him with his worsening dementia because life was all about her. He had catered to her through out their marriage and she didn't even know how to write a check! He wanted no helpers coming into their home. But he had known about his dementia and therefore had signed off on all the legal paperwork. I was able to immediately start paying bills when he could not manage, and when he refused help in the home, needed to tell him that we 'had to try it for 30 days'. The argument I used, based on lawyer's recommendation, was the fact that police and APS had been called a couple times, when they were fighting and yelling in summer with doors and windows opened. I explained that if WE had our own caseworker, home health person coming, then APS would not be able to make their own decisions about things if called too much. He went for that. After a 30d day trial, he was happy with helper coming, but Mom never was. She was jealous. So now Dad's placed, and Mom refuses any thought of a helper, but at least, I have authority and will say to her that if she wants to stay home, she must agree to helper. She is on edge of not being able to drive now too....and weaker with her health issues....so the day is coming. But without the POA I could not make this happen and could not use her funds to pay for anything either. We cannot afford to pay for her care...so glad Dad took care of this ahead of time. You must get with an elder care attorney to arrange this part. If Mom won't agree, then you cannot really 'help' her until she's in further trouble and you can have her declared incompetent. You need health care proxy to talk with her doctors. You will need their help to declare her incompetent as it takes two doctors to write a letter. So wherever and however she needs help, you have to keep saying you cannot help without that authority and then step away and let her 'sink' until she either sinks or agrees. THEN...my last advice...do NOT ever agree to take her in your home! Your will have 24/7 toxicity in your life. You help from afar, by getting her what she needs, either in her home as long as possible, or you get her into AL or a group home etc. There are lots of choices...but without you having the POA, you can do nothing without paying out of your own pocket. Do not give up your sanity, health, finances or life for her. And stop with the guilt. It took me a LONG time and much counseling from others to understand that my job is to keep my parents safe. I am NOT responsible for their happiness or to do things the way they want if those things are not in their best interest or good for ME, my husband and our family. I do a lot of praying when I have to go be with her...and, YES...sometimes I have to take a Xanex too! Now that daughter is in Phx, we can go together and then, support each other in dealing with Mom and getting things done. That makes it much easier too. This is NOT fun!
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Rkello, I was in the same situation as you. My mother grew up in and out of foster homes and had a very awful childhood. She never wanted to bother with my children or cared about anything that was going on in my life. She was verbally abusive and hurtful. She married an abusive alcoholic and moved out of state to be close with my sister, who was her favorite child. She developed Alzheimer's disease and her husband and my sister did not want to help her. My sister was single with no children and lived 10 minutes from my mom. My sister was dating a millionaire and did not work at all. I quit my full time job and had three children in college at the time. I did it out of guilt but was very resentful of my mother when she first moved in. The situation created a lot of tension with my husband. He never even met my mother until she moved in. She was mean to me but I learned to ignore most of it. I took very good care of her for almost 3 years. I ended up going back to work at night because I needed the income. I was constantly exhausted and felt sorry for myself that I ended up in this position. My sister never even called to see how my mom was or helped at all with anything. My mother was in the later stages at this point and needed to be placed in a nursing home. She was 5 minutes from me and I visited her almost everyday to make sure she was ok. My anger and resentment slowly turned into forgiveness. Her life was miserable and I felt sorry for that. She did take care of me when I was a child and she was my mother. My mother passed away a month ago, she was only 70 years old. I am truly at peace that I did what was right and I took care of her. My sister is not handling her passing very well. She has to live with that guilt for the rest of her life. It was a nightmare to deal with my mother for those years. I didn't think I would make it. I almost divorced over it, but looking back, I would never change it. If she has anyone that can help her, reach out to them. If not, maybe you could place her in a nursing home that is close to where you live. This will give you peace knowing she is safe and not alone and you could visit her. My mother was in the intermediate stages of Alzheimer's when she moved in but my guilt would not let me place her in a nursing home. I hope this helps and I will continue to pray for you.
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You sound pretty strong and I know you are fighting guilt because that is what you have learned. I have very mixed feeling when I hear someone talk about turning the other cheek, or honoring thy mother and father, or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. These are good things to consider but not always realistic in practice. I think you know what is right for you and I hope you don't let anyone else make you feel guilty. I am dealing with some of that myself but I know if I treated my mother like a queen, she would just cut off my head! Use common sense which you seem to have plenty of. Take care of yourself.
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palmtrees1, I couldn't agree more that it's well and good to talk about "doing unto others" but you are right that that attitude does not at all take reality into account. Not everyone is cut out to be a caregiver, even for a loved one [let alone someone they can't stand to be in the same room with]; "forgiveness" is also all well and good but you can forgive someone without becoming their primary caregiver and developing all the emotional and physical problems that goes along with it and which accounts for many caregivers dying before their charges do. There's no sense in guilt-ing people over this.
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Advise the neighbors to contact APS with their concerns. Let them know that your mother is not willing to accept your help. Let them know she is diagnosed with bipolar disorder along with the aging issues. They can advise APS or the local crisis line of this to get the appropriate help to your mother. Do not hurt yourself trying to do something for someone who does not want it. You already paid your dues with your mom. I suspect she was a single mom because of her behavior toward your father, her husband. She has had time to make changes and has not. This is her choice. Her continued problems may get her in such a circumstance that authorities can act in her behalf.
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Apparently, some of you don't have the emotional maturity to understand what I wrote, in which case, better you should keep your conclusions to yourself. My advice is based on very hard experience, has nothing to do with guilt, and everything to do with helping the OP learn and grow from a devastating and negative experience which will only damage her if she doesn't do the work necessary to find a positive in the negative. And that positive is working through the negativity of her relationship and healing it; she doesn't need the other's cooperation to do that. That's acting like an adult, not some selfish, spoiled-brat, which is how so many of you come off. Don't you get it, how your mother or whoever else reacts to how you treat them DOESN'T MATTER. It's what you do that matters, how you react. I'm caring for the caregiver as I have cared for myself in a very similar situation. The rest of you are resentful and defensive, and rationalizing a situation until you turn blue and finding ways to evade responsibility to someone,(not an abdication of your life, but an assumption of responsibility), because that someone never assumed that responsibility for you; it makes you the neglected and abused five year old you once were forever. If you can live with that, fine. It's amazing these days how many people think, in so many contexts, that sparing themselves any kind of discomfort or trial should be the mainstay of their existence. Like that old saying, the way they pulled her out of her mama, that's how they're nailing her down in her coffin.
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Boy Deniece444 you certainly got yourself worked up because other posters didn't agree with you. I don't think the other posters, who used very balanced language, come off as spoiled, selfish brats. I think they're caring, thoughtful people who have a different view than you do.

Not everyone chooses to "grow" in the way you deem they should. Maybe they'll grow in other areas of their lives. Or maybe they don't learn to rise above and forgive at all. Or maybe they forgive, but choose to keep their distance for their own mental health. I can't judge them (unlike you) because I didn't grow up with an abusive mother. I wouldn't presume to know what each of them should do with 100% certainty like you. And I don't get upset and lash out with invectives when other people respectfully disagree with my point of view. I listen and learn from others. There's a lot of wisdom borne of experience on these boards. Not everyone has to agree with your viewpoint to make your viewpoint valid or their viewpoint invalid.
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Thank you for that, blannie...well said.
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Those of us who have had an abusive mother are NOT selfish or morally deficient. Our innocent love was compromised time and time again. I suppose you could say that Jesus' love was compromised by God the "father" too, and look at the upright stance HE took dying by submitting his will to his "Dad." I have seen way too many people hurt way too deeply by the kind of psychological terror these morality stories impose on the helpless. Take a look at the works of Alice Miller, a brilliant psychotherapist who indicts Freudians for their 4th Commandment need to impose a "forgiveness" mold onto their patients. Miller would argue forgiveness and "getting over it" will further spiral the abused into deeper depression, mental illness, and repeating the cycle of abuse with one's own children and loved ones. Miller cites neuropsychological research that increasingly confirms that abuse, especially of children, changes the brain FOREVER, not "correctible." We are not taking a low road, nor a selfish road, by being unable to handle terror. Deniece, you definitely have not handled such terror or else you have sugar-coated the rage you carry inside -- and unfortunately you are punishing people here with your cruel indictments. I am glad you have found a temporary shelter with your mind's constructs, I once did the same and ALWAYS turned the other cheek. Til I got lymphoma. Miller goes so far to suggest that cancer is our inner rage being dealt with by our body's final wisdom saying, "I can't take this terror and deception any longer." Your unkind chastisement felt to me like the "gaslighting" that our mothers did to us. For example, over some small thing like not folding one's clothes correctly -- Mom attempts to burn the house down and puts us out on the street and goes into a tantrum and disappears for four days and comes back with threats that we will be shipped to China. Now you are asking me to willfully "get positive" with someone who did this to a four-year-old child? Are you crazy? Any psychologist will tell you that no matter how adult and reasoned we become as we age, the sum-total of ourselves includes the child that we were. I take care from afar (almost a full-time job actually), and Rkello has my support. She has done everything she can do, and deserves peace in her life. She has stood up for her mother and made many sacrifices and outreachings to her. She should not be belittled nor made confused. Her soul is suffering and needs to be encouraged to reach for her truths, which takes a lot of bravery and faith during some very dark times. Rkello, I can only repeat what everyone else but Deniece has said so eloquently, you have done everything you can. You will read all these suggestions, and some of then will free you. I am so sorry for your pain, and know that you are not alone.
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First of all, your Mum needs you to help her. Second of all, look after yourself. Don't allow your Mum to bully you, walk away. If she yells at you, go away for a few seconds. Then go back, talk calmly to her, and say 'Mum, you can't talk to me like that. i am here to help you'. If it doesn't register at the time, say it again later. Don't allow your Mums behaviour to get you down. If you need a breather, walk outside and look at something else, e.g. the garden. Your Mum needs help, but not at the expense of your health. Arlene Hutcheon
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Deniece, I am sorry I lost it. How I admire the well-considered answers I always see here. I'm still trying and learning. You poured yourself into your answer too. I'm glad you did, we all need all points of view all the time, to help us find our own directions.
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Thanks to all of you for your thoughtful, caring responses. I feel so relieved to know that I am not alone, and just to know there are people who understand what I am going through means the world to me. I a going to try to do what I can, where I can, while keeping my boundaries in place.
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