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Looking back, knowing what you know now about Dementia and your LO, if you could go back in time and eagle eye watch for the tiniest sign that cognitive function was beginning to decline, what incident or event would you pick up on as that tiniest sign?
For us, I think it would be her absolute inability to stop herself from bringing a painful subject (and her ridiculous opinions about it) into EVERY conversation. Not just some or most. Every conversation, no matter the topic. Despite being asked not to, despite it being demanded that she not, despite people getting to the point of refusing to speak to her at all because of it. Every conversation, without fail. That started probably 20 or so years ago.
I can think of some others as well, but this one is the most prominent.

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For my brother, poor balance, occ. difficulty swallowing, "dreams" that weren't dreams but nighttime hallucinations, and he was aware and certain he was awake.
An inability to hear well on the phone, and hanging up on us when we called thinking we were no longer talking. Addressing an envelope wrong. For instance all right, but the city and state. Increased anxiety when out shopping. Increased worrying over bills, files, keeping things straight. Less social.

He was in a car accident and this is how he got diagnosed. Laying in the arms of a neighbor kept repeating "I knew something was wrong; I knew somethings was wrong."
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TrishaAlvis Jan 2, 2025
@AlvaDeer, I'm so sorry that this has happened to your brother. All of his signs are "classic" dementia, but as the saying goes, "If you know one person with dementia, you know one person with dementia." There are so many types of this devastating disease, clinical diagnosis is the only way to know for sure. Look for a local chapter of The Dementia Friendly group in your area. They have great resources and can help you, your brother, and family how to "manage" his personal care and needs. I take my mom who has a few of the cognitive signs of early dementia to the Elgin Area Dementia Friendly chapter. This is as much for me as it is for her. I'm on he advisory council now too. We go the 2nd Tuesday of every month and my mom loves the time we get to bond and learn together there. The others on the council are a second family to us. I thank God for this group.
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My mom caused a crash and that's how she got diagnosed, but we had already been begging her to go back to her doctor and ask for help for a few years.

Becoming less social, even with her family, was also early sign, but it came much later than the conversations that couldn't happen without that one topic being brought up.
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For my mom I think she knew early on like 10 years prior to my farhers diagnosis.

After she passed I was going through her stuff she had stuff going back to 2013 about memory loss, what to can be done and stuff.

I do wonder what caught her eye first l.
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For me with my late husband it was when he'd forgotten how to use the microwave, and became very incontinent, and then started falling a lot.
I then knew something was very wrong
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My Mom, reasoning. My disabled nephew came to live with her, shewas 80. Dad hadvpassed 2 yrs before. My neohew was suppose to be here to go to a Community College to see if he was capable of doing it. He easn't. My Mom felt sorry for him because he was an orphan and felt my brother and wife were to strict with him. His neurological problem means he needs structure, Mom did not think so. She believed everything he said over me who was 60. I could not believe it. She was aware of his disability. I would explain why he could not do something, before she would have gone along with me, not now.
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mommabeans Dec 30, 2024
Yes, the loss of reasoning is so frustrating;
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My uncle kept falling and wouldn't hit is medical alert button. He said he didn't want to bother anyone. That logic didn't make sense and in retrospect I wonder if he couldn't rember he had it or how to use it.
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That's a good one! If my mother remembered how to use it,the company could've helped us locate her when she became lost. This should become an essential point of conversation with the use of them to the elderly.
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Person A: Anger, paranoia and hallucinations. Person B: Anger, paranoia, and forgetting things, plus making really bad decisions about everyday matters. Person C: Falling a lot and thinking she was going to marry Elvis. Person D: Unable to complete tasks that required following simple instructions. Person E: Didn't recall that she'd sold a house she'd inherited from her mother. Person F: Thought everybody important in her life was stealing from her and wrote letters about it to all of them as well as the police. Person G: Lying about things, such as saying family members stole money from parents and put their dad in hospice without his permission. Person H: Started talking about digging up his parents (dead for more than 30 years) and building a huge mausoleum for them in a cemetery in a town 20 miles away.
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For my now 95-yr old Mom, it was within the last 7 years. She was still driving and one day confessed to me that she went to an area she wasn't familiar with but was eventually able to get home. Didn't think to call me. Nothing odd happened for a long while after that (like maybe 2-ish years). Then one morning she called me up and wanted to know how much toothpaste she should put on her toothbrush. A totally weird question. I was so dumbfounded I just gave her an answer. She sounded confused. I wondered if she'd had a TIA. Then, about a year or so passed and she became more and more forgetful and easily confused. Made more mistakes cooking even when following a recipe. Would shop for me at the grocery store from my list, and still bring back the wrong items or brand. Became more insistent that someone did her wrong, rather than acknowlege she made a mistake; became tonedeaf in conversations and not relenting when told she'd crossed a line, less empathy, more paranoia about people taking things or me wanting to "put her away in a home"; was forgeting how to use her appliances but insisting they were broken and torturing the customer service phone reps; worsening judgment (like trying to walk down her snowy driveway in sneakers when she has boots with cleats); repeating herself; incessantly asking inane questions until I have to tell her to stop; broken filter; negativity; inappropriate social behaviors; etc.

It starts very slowly and spotty. By time we see more regular and unmistakeable behaviors, our LO is already in moderate dementia.
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mommabeans Dec 30, 2024
Yes, a mom's rent was on auto pay and she would then also log into the system and pay it. And would swear up and down she didn't do it. Even with the proof in front of her face. She was convinced the management was trying to steal money from her. And also, the tone-deafness. Phones and computers that got replaced because they "didn't work" but they were just turned off or unplugged. Social behaviors I would say got oddly "extra". Not really inappropriate just dramatic. Like the worst acting job ever...
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I think it was my DHs inability to balance his checkbook. He had always been an obsessive financial record keeper - hole punches, three ring binders with business cards taped inside, the whole bit. Suddenly (or maybe not so suddenly?) he couldn’t reconcile at the end of the month. Once I started doing it for him I started to see he was sending donations to national organizations over and over again, forgetting that he’d done it the month before. He would get mad at me for pointing it out. Then he admitted that he was afraid if he didn’t send a check when asked something bad was going to happen although he couldn’t say what.
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I recall my mom making decisions she definitely would not have made before. The biggest thing that sticks out is when she told me she was being followed. Then whenever we went somewhere, she would say there they are or that person is following me too. She claimed people were outside her apartment at night, talking to her. I immediately had a family meeting! From there, she would get lost driving so my dad went with her everywhere. There is more.
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For my husband, it was two things. First, when he handed over his car keys and told me that he had driven all his life and now it was my turn. Second, when he handed me his iPhone and asked how it worked because he couldn’t figure it out.

Both big red flags as he was always big on driving anything with a motor (trucks, cars, private airplanes, motorcycles). He was a big computer geek and always the first in his office/family to get the latest tech gadget and show the rest of us how to use them.

In hindsight, I can see him becoming less interested in group activities and preferring to hang out more at home.
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For my father, it began with him not following driving instructions. He would pass Into OnComing traffic and saying “he had the right of way”, my mother stopped riding with him because of all his cussing, swearing, weaving in and out of traffic. Last Straw, was unfortunately my 9 year niece that came home upset that Grandpa went THE COMPLETELY WRONG WAY in a round-about.
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First it was the minor damage to my MIL’s car, scratches and dented bumpers, and not telling us. She had always been a bad driver but it escalated exponentially and she started getting lost. Then it was overhearing her on the phone reading off a bunch of numbers. She had gotten a call where they told her to go get $2500 in gift cards to pay off an IRS debt.

These events got my husband and I to contact an elder care attorney to ensure all of her paperwork (will, powers of attorney, medical wishes, funeral wishes) were all documented prior to her being evaluated by a neurologist. This was to make sure she was protected; but to also ensure that we were as well since she had been living with us for years. We wanted to make sure that no medical or financial businesses could come after us for any of her outstanding debts.
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My sister is 81 and in the last stages of Alzheimer’s. I remember her telling me two things probably 10-15 years ago. She quit wearing lipstick and she quit folding her underwear - just stuffed it in a drawer. There were probably signs earlier, but these stick out in my mind. She was EXTREMELY organized and structured, so these signs were remarkable.
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Hi Pam. My mom was concerned with her appearance her whole life. Her clothes and hair were just-so. Then she stopped wearing makeup. (I thought, okay, makeup is a hassle, I don't usually wear any, so that's probably normal.) Then she stopped brushing her hair and there was always a tangle in the back of her head. I've realized that if someone's baseline is "just-so" or dressy, and that changes, that's a clue.
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Mom was diagnosed early 2011.

2000 - The absolute first signs mom showed were some unfounded hostilities towards her beloved sister. Mom became convinced my aunt had taken more than her share of my deceased grandmother’s assets (which were minimal). She remained angry for FOUR YEARS! This was just not in line with her typical behavior.

2008 - Mom struggled with comprehending and learning any new technology. We thought she’d soon get comfortable with DISH, but she continued to struggle. And she often picked up the tv remote and haphazardly pushed buttons and changed inputs. BUT she was still able to call me and I could walk her through troubleshooting.

About that time I discovered her handwriting had gotten smaller, and she was no longer keeping an accurate checkbook. She was rounding up all entries.

We bought her a digital camera. Showed mom how to turn it on and take a pic. TWO STEPS. Thought she had it. But she didn’t. Called me a couple of days later yelling and cursing me for buying her the camera.

2010 - I don’t recall now what triggered a visit yo the neurologist but I know it was memory related, and she was fully aware it was becoming an issue. Her father had Alzheimer’s but he also had a severe B12 deficiency which can cause memory problems. I convinced her to go so that we could check her B12 levels. We were all hoping that was what the problem was. Sadly, her B12 levels were fine.

At some point, she stopping putting her groceries in the pantry. She’d stack it all on the counter. Claimed she had no where else to put it (not so). Saw something similar in her bedroom with piles of boxes of toothpaste and moisturizer on her dresser.

We thought all of challenges of technology were just normal age-related changes. But I think now it was truly the beginning of her dementia journey. The personality shifts. The handwriting changes. The checkbook.

She remained highly social and worked out at a gym three times a week. She walked a mile every day. I believe these things helped her remain independent for years. She didn’t reach a point of not being able to live alone until 2018.

She’s still with us. She’s gone from assisted living to memory care (she refused to live with me so her home was sold to pay for these things). She’s now straddling states 6/7 and resides in a nursing home. She’s still ambulatory but rarely speaks.
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A Blank Look On my Dads face when I mentioned a Person on Christmas eve - I Knew there was something wrong . Walking very slowly and thinking it was His shoes . Temper tantrums , Falling Off steps , Cutting Himself . Losing things constantly Like every day several times a day . Obsessions with His Phones battery . Burning Food , Not acknowledging smoke coming from the Oven . Obsessions . Little things . I thought it was Old age .
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My Mom answered The Door On Memorial day weekend 2016 and Looked 1000 times Older . I had seen her In February 2016 and she seemed fine - That was Our Last Normal 3 Hour conversation . She Had taken to sleeping and Xanax . I thought she was depressed - Dementia never crossed My Mind . Her friend called me in April stating " How could you leave your Mother Like that ? " Just very Odd and sudden . I Bought food and went to her House - she couldn't open the can Of soda - No strength in her Hands and I Noticed empty Yogurt containers and her stove was shut off . Not sure who shut off her stove and It didnt compute . Long story short the next 9 Months was really tough on me .
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Finding unpaid bills, demand letters, and cancellation notice hidden in her room. This was going on for many years before we discovered it.
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BlueHeron Jan 3, 2025
Hi Betty. I can relate! My mom's papers were a royal mess. Her filing system was nonsensical, and she hid letters too.
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I'm realizing something similar; my mom's brother passed away about 10 years ago and it was like a sudden obsession talking about his death. Every conversation, every meal, it didn't matter that there were guests. At first, I thought it was because he was the first sibling to pass. Several years later, she became obsessed with talking bad about a family in our church, how awful they were as parents (not a thing), how bad their kids were (no more than any others)...once again, every conversation. She was always a negative person but it became an all-consuming trait.
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This is an interesting topic.
If I look back probably 10 or 15 years BEFORE his diagnosis I can pick out isolated instances that were "off".
I think the one thing that got me to set up an appointment for him for a memory screening was the fact that he made a wrong turn on a road. For a brief moment I thought, no big deal it had snowed and the landmarks were obscured so it was easy to miss. But it kept nagging at me and a week later I set up the appointment.
From that time until his death was about 12 years.
So looking back the decline was probably 20 years. He was 63 when he was diagnosed.
I have said that figuring it all out is like looking at one of those pictures that looks like a regular picture but then you get closer and closer and you realize it is made up of hundreds of other pictures. You put all the pieces together and then it might make sense.

the big question is...would getting a diagnosis any earlier have made a difference...my guess is not. Would I have been more prepared....I don't think so. BUT I would have done some things that we put off. Travel is the biggie. Maybe getting him to an attorney so that I could have had legal work done that would have made things easier for me later on. (But I know he would have not agreed to that!)
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It's not always easy trying to decide if what our loved ones/parents were doing was just age related, or if it was dementia. Example, my Dad's caregiver called me to let me know that Dad was tossing unpaid bills into the recycling. Mom had passed a few months prior and for their whole married life Mom did all the bill paying. Bills were not on Dad's radar, plus he was still sharp about other things.


Both hubby and I are not as quick on the draw when it comes to remembering names of people in the public eye. Usually the name will pop in our brain 5 minutes later or at midnight. No big deal, our brains are so full of information it takes longer to sort out.


Hubby has on occasion left the stove on, or forgot to close the freezer door. He's always been absent minded. One can follow his trail of open cabinets and left on lights. Heck, I've left on the stove myself back when I was in my 30's and 40's. We grew up back when stoves had a red light that would let us know the stove/burners were still on. Wish appliance companies would bring back that idea. Now if I looked at the stove and it said 425, that could be the time or the oven temp.


My folks developed dementia in their mid to late 90's. Mom's happened after a fall where she hit her head, she forgot how to walk along with other things. Dad's was probably just age related.
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I cannot pinpoint when 50 years of narcissistic traits turned into dementia behaviour. The mental gymnastics for her conspiracy theories were alarming. Example: newspapers and broadcasts were lying about the date. If they said today is Saturday, Dec. 28, 2024, she would go on for hours at a time about how she was going to publicly expose their lies to reveal the truth. She just needed to find an outlet brave enough to help her publicize her findings. She was going to expose so many people for such a variety of misdeeds. She insisted I was selfishly withholding treats from her which were actually inedible items, an example being dishwasher pods.

She’d always been obsessed with ways she’d been wronged, so again, it was tough to determine a specific time.
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LSUPixie Dec 30, 2024
My mom also has always been obsessed with how she was wronged or slighted by someone either in the family, the church, strangers. The story always ended with her giving them a piece of her mind, telling them off and being the hero in her own mind. That never happened but that's how she told every story of every encounter even pre-dementia. I just thought it was her thing, she exaggerated EVERYTHING. She also has been a hypochondriac her entire life, any cold or flu that went around, she was sure she had it and had to go to the doctor or self-medicate. If anyone had something, she had it worse. That trait became worse over the years and possibly so with the beginning of dementia.
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We were amazingly blessed that my mom maintained her sweet demeanor during 90% of her dementia diagnosis before she passed away. Her initial symptoms included unusual, repetitive questions, along with forgetting recent events. What exasperated her symptoms was when she and my Pop had to isolate because of Covid. Even though my mom had been diagnosed with dementia in 2019, she continued to play tennis on a competitive team. This came to an abrupt halt in March 2020. I mention this simply because isolation played a key role in the progression of my mom's diagnosis.

I moved in with my folks to be their caregiver, so I was able to spend the last two years of my mom's life with her.

Last year, when I mentioned some concern about having early signs of dementia, a physical therapist told me that forgetting where you put the scissors is not a sign of dementia. If you forget what scissors are for then it is worth discussing with a doctor.

This has been a very helpful barometer. ❤️
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The lockdown played a huge role in my mom's progression as well.
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mommabeans: A precursor to my SIL with Alzheimer's was four years prior to dx when she drove her auto into a one way only highway with two of her grandchildren in the back seat. It was clearly marked in red, DO NOT ENTER.
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The first real concern was after a blood pressure medication change. Mom could not understand the schedule of when to take her meds. She lives in my home, so I took over giving meds. Next time we saw the doctor I asked for a referral for a neurology appointment and she was diagnosed was ALZHEIMER'S. Three years later, she is still physically healthy at 91, pleasant and compliant but mostly incontinent, very confused and needs lots of help with ADLs. I'm glad we got an early diagnosis. It has helped me prepare for the challenges we have now.
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About 5 years ago, my mom had cataract surgery. We went home with very specific instructions for which drops to put in her eyes and when. She could not recall what the doctor said even though it was on the sheet they gave us. I wrote them down for her instead. Step 1, step 2. Including saying, "Wait 4 hours." and such. She still used the wrong med at the wrong time. Just could not figure it out.
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Correction! I forgot about an important incident. My mother was packing to visit her brother for a week and complained that it took her an entire day to sort and pack her meds. I asked her to show me how she did it. She dumped all the pill bottles onto her dining room table and repeatedly counted the total instead of taking out 7 thyroid pills and placing 1 in each morning compartment, etc.
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Yes, I think not being able to figure out pills is a big symptom. My mother could not understand the pill organizer at all. Before a med tech took over her medications, mom would ask me, "Do I put one in the first hole and two in the next hole?" She would also dump all her pills in her pocket in case she had to go somewhere.
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My husband forgot how to write out a check at the grocery store. He had driven there, got all of the groceries, but then had to ask the checkout girl to assist him in how to fill out the check. He'd written checks all his life. He told me when he got home. He and I both realized something was wrong. I took over our finances that day.
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Timely topic for me because I was talking about the same thing with my daughters two days ago.

I said that I thought I was seeing it in my husband in the early 2000s. There were quick moments of confusion about time and place. The doctor said he was having Transient Eschemic Attacks (TIAs), so that's how the strange episodes were explained. In 2002, we gifted our daughter and her husband the lot next door to us, they built a house and moved in early spring 2003. In 2004, I found him staring out the window at their house and he said to me, "Why is there a house on our lot? Who put it there? Who lives there?" I'm not sure that was a TIA. By 2013 I was sure he had something psychological going on. He was diagnosed with dementia (frontotemporal and mild cognitive impairment) in 2017.

My oldest daughter said she now thinks she saw things in the late 1990s (there is too much history to go into right now). In her eyes, she believes her father (a pastor who had an affair that ended in 1995 but it wasn't revealed until 2017) was given over to a "seared conscience" or "reprobate mind" and that the things he started saying/doing/teaching back then could have been the beginnings of dementia.

My other daughter said she looks back and realizes that he was always a little bit "off" but just attributed it to his personality as it was his "normal" way of behaving. In public, he had to be the funny guy and the star of the show and everyone's best friend, but at home he was sharp, criticial, controlling, and nasty. She recalled me saying to him once, "Why don't you pretend we are your church people and treat us the same way you treat them?"

So, is it possible that my husband was showtiming even in the 90s, or do we just attribute it to personality? I guess that is a question we'll never know the answer to for certain.
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Anabanana Dec 29, 2024
My husband’s father - also a pastor - was the same. I always wished my mother would treat me the way she treated others - she was the ultimate church lady. The more I research, the more I believe she exhibits covert narc traits. (FIL is very overt) My cousins think my mother is the greatest, kindest, most thoughtful and supportive aunt in the world. While she had zero empathy for me. Narcissism and dementia are a messy inseparable mix.
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Good Morning,

Mom's peripheral vision was gone...walking behind cars backing out of a supermarket parking lot. Making a bed with the sheets 1/2 way on the floor and couldn't fold a facecloth.

Mom had hearing aids and cataract surgery so I couldn't figure out what was wrong. Finally, I took the car keys off of her when she was driving down the street and reading the mileage at the same time. Her concentration and her driving too close to the driver in front.

Mom also had the tendency to not gage the distance from walking on a sidewalk and would almost go off the sidewalk walking with a shopping cart.

Spatial awareness was the first to go...
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Hi Ireland, I know what you mean! My mom likes to push her own shopping cart, but I'm right there waiting to steer if it looks like she's swerving into someone or something. We don't need to knock down a grocery display on top of everything else we've got going on!
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The first signs about two years before diagnosis, were my husband's work issues. The department had added some extra computer tasks to complete when writing patient notes. He really complained about this. I told him "you're a really smart guy, you can do this." I was surprised at the time how much he pushed back against this, claiming that this was just extra busy work for him and that the program was flawed. It got to the point where he was called into several department meetings to sort this out, including a Zoom meeting I was to be part of. I think the hospital wanted to see how I was dealing with what was going on at the time. So, a few months later my husband was given extra vacation time. During which one night he woke me up, saying he was seeing vapor trails. Ok-I drove us to the ER. MRI that day confirmed Frontal Temporal Dementia. He's a doctor. He knows exactly what he has.
So, it's been over five years since the diagnosis. He's gradually slipping away. Really hard to watch.
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graygrammie Dec 29, 2024
Oh my, I can't think of anything worse than being a doctor and knowing exactly what your future is going to look like, except being the wife of a doctor and knowing what the future is going to look like. My heart goes out to you.
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